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#165 new question

UOM available on UCUM document not in CDC PHIN VADS

Reported by: dmerriner Owned by: Christof Gessner
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Component: help Keywords: Tranlation Failure


Hello, We are working with our Department of Health (DOH) and we are struggling with several of the Units of Measure. These are reported by our reference laboratory and they are as follows:

log cps/mL log IU/mL

I find the UCUM reference of (respectively)

{Log_copies}/mL {Log_IU}/mL

Because these are not found on the PHIN VADs database, we are unable to send these results until resolved. It is impacting our ability to move foward. Can you share with me what the equivalent would be on the PHIN VADS v3 UOM database? Would it be possible these were omitted as an oversight?

Change History (4)

comment:1 Changed 7 years ago by Gunther Schadow

These copies and log copies are a problem. We need expertise or a good metrologically oriented discussion paper on this.

#90, #143, #165, #173

comment:2 Changed 7 years ago by Christof Gessner

Owner: set to Christof Gessner

The problem that Guther mentions is related to the fact that a log can only be calculated from a numerical value (i.e. a "dimensionless" quantity). See a discussion of this for pH here:

In the case of pH this is resolved by introducing a denominator that is formally 1 mol/kg-l or 1 mol/ dm3 respectively. This denominator represents the rule that the measurement is to be taken at "standard conditions" (pressure, temperature). Meaning that a measurement taking place at non-standard conditions would yield different numerical values.

Coming back to the "units" in question here: {Log_copies}/mL {Log_IU}/mL are probably missing the point. It should rather be something like {Log}{copies/mL}, because the numerical values will NOT be proportinal to 1/mL here.

In a future release, we might come up with a formalized notation for log-units. They are are used frequently (dB, Neper), described as "levels". The formalism would require the introduction of a reference quantity, examples are dB[mV] or dB[10.nV] where the reference quantity would be given in square brackets. In our case here, this could be something like log[mL-1] or log[{copies}/mL] or log[[IU]/mL]. This is to be discussed and thoroughly checked against the UCUM formalism. This is a candidate for a future extension.

comment:3 Changed 7 years ago by Christof Gessner

Note: Some "faithful adoption" of such a future formalism is seen here:!units (go to Tab Units and search for decibel)

Last edited 7 years ago by Christof Gessner (previous) (diff)

comment:4 Changed 15 months ago by Christof Gessner

Component: help

related to the topic of "logarithmic units".

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